Date: 05 Oct 2011


ME AND MUSLIMS – by Rajinder October 1, 2011. ME AND MUSLIMS \\\\\\\\\\\\\ \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ I know that this exercise I am going to launch here also is not very different from the above, yet I am diving into it. \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ My question to all of you is that in 1947 India got divided; Muslims got their part (it never was their part) of the land that they thought could be their haven for a peaceful life. (Koran teaches them to make all ‘darul al harb’ land to ‘daru al Islam’. They do it since 1400 years. They never are interested in lasting peace.) Right away we (not the Hindus or Sikhs; only the Muslims) started on a footing by going on a rampage killing each other – worst of man’s instinct came to forefront and the best got forgotten, except in some cases where Muslims helped their Hindu neighbors and the vice versa. (Also, some best Muslim friends of Hindus turned their Hindu friends to the Muslim mobs for killing.) \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ Okay – scores settled (No, it is not settled – no peace has come), we started our lives, Muslims in Pakistan and Hindus in India along with pockets of each other who decided to stay put. Then instead of trying to build our lives, Pakistan invaded Kashmir and the mayhem that has been going on for 64 years started. (Sure, they follow Koran. A Muslim cannot be comfortable as long as there is at least one kafir- non-Muslim.) \\\\\\\\\\\\\\ Why? (The root cause is the teachings of Koran.) \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ I have asked this question before and am asking again “How do you justify that Kashmir should be part of Pakistan?” (You say you are asking to the Muslims, but you are posting this to the Hindu group. How so? Why complain to the victims of Islam? Know that Sikhism is an offshoot of the Vedic dharma, and all the principles of Sikhism are found in the Vedic scriptures.) \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ Every single Pakistani I have met has this notion that India usurped J&K whereas the fact is: \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (Did you inform these facts to the Pakistanis? If yes, please share their responses.) \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ 1. That India stood by and watched Pakistani forces marching towards the Maharaja’s palace to capture him and then coerce him to sign a pact of succession, giving away his kingdom to Pakistan. It was not the people of Kashmir who attacked the Maharaja, it was the Pakistani forces. \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ 2. Had the people of Kashmir wanted to join Pakistan, they should have risen in revolt and forced the Maharaja’s hand, not the Pakistanis. \\\\\\\\\\\\\\ Now under these circumstances, are you my friends going to concede that it was an INVASION? \\\\\\\\\\\\\ 3. Then India got an SOS from the Maharaja of J&K that he needs help. India replied that their intervention would be considered an invasion also until the Maharaja makes up his mind whether he wants to join India, stay free or join Pakistan. This is the right he had been given by the British, the same as other 514 Princely states, and those who fell within the territory of Pakistan like Bahawalpur joined Pakistan and with the exception of two Hyderabad and Junagadh, all others decided to join India. \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ So the Maharaja of J&K made up his mind at the last moment, before the Pakistani invaders captured him, to join India. Now it became a part of India and it became India’s duty to protect its territory. \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ Nehru got swayed by Mountbatten to accept ceasefire until the UN conducts by holding Plebiscite (people consultation by voting) as to what should be done. UN laid a few conditions which neither India and nor Pakistan fulfilled and therefore, this option of holding a Plebiscite got scuttled and now it is a dead issue as lot has changed. \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ As time went by, Pakistan kept on exerting violent pressure to force India to leave Kashmir and India would have none of it. India beat Pakistan in two wars within a period of less than 20 years – Pakistan could afford it since America was equipping it, but India could not since it had to rely on none other than itself. There was no foreign country giving even a rifle to India, forget about Paton Tanks that Pakistan was getting from USA – en graduate. \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ Then comes the Bangladesh? India helped Bengalis to secede, no doubt about it, but India did not incite them in any shape or form. It is only when Zulfiqar Bhutto who lost the election to Mujibur Rehman, refused to quit and invited Mujib to West Pakistan and put him under arrest, that Bengalis got enraged and sought India’s help. Bengalis organized Mukti Bahini – a resistance movement and maybe India equipped them – I do not know to what extent, but I suspect India did help them. I consider this only “tit for tat” for what Pakistan had put India through by invading twice. Also there was a moral factor – India was helping the oppressed, not the oppressor. If Mujibur Rehman had been elected fairly, why was he denied the right to form his government? That is the democratic way, isn’t it? West Pakistanis could have waited for a few years and in the next election taken over the gov’t, no they decided to send forces to suppress their Bengali Muslim countrymen. Was it not outrageous? \\\\\\\\\\\\\\ Now (I am) coming back to the mainstream of this thought. Pakistan blames India for its own follies and continues with its stubborn behavior. It has tried every tactic in the bag: Fomenting Islamic fundamentalism in Kashmir and sending guerillas there; training the Sikh separatists; committing acts of terror first limited to J&K, and now all over India. But it has not been able to advance its cause one inch. \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ My question is “how do you justify it all?” (Their justification is in Koran.) \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ Who is the real culprit? (Koran’s teachings.) \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ Why can’t Pakistan live in peace? (Because, it follows Koran.) \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ What good is J&K to it (Pakistan) when it (Pakistan) could not hold Bengal, (and) is not able to generate progress? (They strive, following Koran, to bring the whole world under Islam and Sharia.) \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ A lot of collateral damage has accrued as a result of bad governance, which has put Pakistan in dire straits and now it has been compounded by many other problems. Not only is Kashmir beyond Pakistan’s reach, even Balochistan and Sindh are disgruntled – whether they secede or not is a moot point, but unrest will remain forever. Pakistani blame India for lending support to the Balochis, maybe it is true, (but) then why not? If Pakistan follows the way of any enemy, why should not India? (The Vedic desh and people tolerated far way beyond the limit. Now it has to change.) \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ The unnecessary suffering of the people of Pakistan is the heart breaker. (Does the suffering of the Hindus in their own land caused by the Muslims not break your heart? Did you forget the suffering caused by the Muslims to the Sikh gurus?) It is not their doing it is the doing of their government which is dominated by the military generals. Therefore, unless the people of Pakistan shed this bad element and say to the army “your job is to protect us, not rule us” no relief is possible. (No peace is possible till they give up Islam. They all are the decedents of the Hindus who, a few centuries ago, were forced to accept Islam.) In India no general has ever sought even an election, forget about thinking of ruling. Military mind is a different kind of mind, and is not a conciliatory type. (A military has to remain under righteous authority.) \\\\\\\\\\\\\\ So (my Muslim) friends, instead of calling me a hate-monger which I am not, answer my questions. If at times I have written about Islam as a violent religion, it is an outcrop of what the Muslims have been doing to the Hindus for centuries, and do not stop even now. (If you read Koran, you will know how barbaric Islam is. See some quotes on this blog.) All these acts of terrorism, all this J&K campaign, all this training the Sikhs, are the reasons that keep influencing my thinking; otherwise what does it matter to me “how you pray to your God” in whose existence even I have very different views. (Your having different views are a problem to them.) I hate religions (You did not learn about the Vedic dharma, your ancestors’ dharma, from a right authority. If you are a righteous man, you already are practicing Vedic dharma, and you do not know it) and more so the fanatics who chant slogans of imbibing spirituality, but conduct themselves in far worse manner etc. \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ Neither do I hate Islam (First, read Koran and find reasons, if you could, why you should love it.) and nor Pakistan – I hate its war and terror-mongering. In fact, I would like to see a prosperous and happy neighbor in Pakistan, because that only is conducive to my own happy living, not a suffering Pakistan but a progressive Pakistan. (And what you wish for your own desh and the Vedics? The Vedic dharma scriptures already have very ancient universal prayers; like \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ ॐ सहना वव तु सहनौ भुनक्तु सहवीर्यम् करवावहै तेजस्विना वदितमस्तु मा विद्विसावहै ॐ शान्ति शान्ति शान्तिः॥ ) \\\\\\\\\\\\ 000000000