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from a sikh discussion list:

in view of the tragic event in gandhi-nagar in gujarat (tuesday 24th inst.), is any sikh "sanstha" or brave veerji looking into such an eventuality with regard to our own gurdwaras back home?

what we read below can be ignored at our own peril. it is this-

in the violent and volatile political climate of ideological clashes in decomposing (partitioned) india (or broken bharat) where kashmir still remains disputed, "anything is possible"- from an all out army attack in sri amritsar to an isolated act by some lunatic who can hurl a grenade.

some elderly sikhs are surely still around who could narrate, at least on internet, the fate of not only the 40 gurdwaras in east punjab during june 1984, but also of the gurdwaras and the respectable "sadh sangats" in daultala, sukho, sayyed kasran, gujarkhan, kuntrila (rawalpindi division), khokharke, kamoke, eminabad, sheikhupura, jarhanwala, qila gujjar singh (lahore division), chak no. 711, mailsi, mian channu and khanewal (multan division) during that unmentionable year 1947.

as swami narayan was taken by surprise in gujarat last tuesday and the united states were taken by surprise on september 11 last year, should we (sikhs) in east punjab, and the rest of india, be surprised, too?

please don't bother to read it again, if your answer is "yes".

ps: to those living in the west, it is totally incomprehensible that hindustan is a unique country on earth where the president (abdul kalam) and the first lady (from italy) would be quite relieved and satisfied at the news of the massacre of native "brown indians"- more so since they (the natives) are considered pagans, infidels and kafirs with dark souls.

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from hindu discussion lists:

it is sad that due to the political machinations of bastards like nehru and gandhi earlier and vajpayee, advani and thackerey now that hindus will continue to lose their lives in india. a hindu revivalism is finished if their is no retaliation. finished is the bjp and shiv sena. a writing on the wall of a mosque, brings hundreds of muslims on to the streets, shutting, burning and looting hindu shops, stabbing hindus, while we the coward race just watch as we are slowly extinguished. an attack on our temple, mass killings of hindus, nothing seems to move us or our worthy leaders. we are all dead in the long run, but a hindu is already dead.

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comment:

it reminds me of the attacks on somnath, mathura, ayodhya and varanasi temples in the earlier times.

it is the same hindu killing mohammedan beast that bandit nehru tried to appease by giving one third of indian territory in 1947 and also retaining them in the hindu body to disembowel it eventually.

the attack on the temple in gujarat is like the attack on the two wtc towers in america last year.

the dared to slap the hindu in the middle of his hindustan and they did slap the world's most powerful nation in the head. while the temple are preaching "love all" all the time, the muslims go to mosques to hear "kill the kafirs" five times a day, each day.

it's a pity that the hindu leaders live from hour to hour while the muslim eyes are firmly set on green flag over red fort eventually not just over srinagar.

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so the bjp which rode to power on the back of hindutva votes, the party for which not a single muslim or christian votes, the party loathed, mocked at by muslims and christians has decided not to support the bandh called against the kilings of hindus. this party has killed itself. this party has paved the way for sonia to come to power. nothing can stop this from happening and after that there will be no bjp, no vhp and no rss. as long as you are consistent you are wanted, as soon as you deviate you are dead bjp.

..........bandh (strike) near total in gujarat

the vhp-sponsored bandh to protest tuesday's attack on the swaminarayan temple in gandhinagar evoked a near-total response in gujarat even as police, paramilitary forces and army personnel maintained a tight vigil in sensitive areas of ahmedabad, surat and vadodara.

police officials said the situation was so far peaceful and under control all over the state.

shopkeepers, who opened for business in different parts of the state on thursday morning, pulled down their shutters after vhp activists requested them to do so.

vehicular movement was thin in ahmedabad as city transport buses were off the roads and only a few private vehicles were seen plying.

'we decided to keep buses off the roads in view of the heavy losses suffered in the post-godhra riots', an official said.

schools, colleges and private establishments were closed but attendance was picking up in state government offices as employees ventured out in two-wheelers.

in the sensitive localities of dariapur, mirzapur, shahpur, astodia and kalupur in ahmedabad, the main bazaars were closed and people preferred to stay indoors.

the bjp is not supporting the bandh and has appealed to the people to maintain peace.

in vadodara, the bandh was total and peaceful, police said. three columns of the army, one company of the crpf and five companies of the state reserve police have been deployed in the city, a report said.

most of the shops were closed but banks kept their shutters half-open while a holiday was declared in educational institutions, it said.

a surat report said the response to the bandh was spontaneous. army and rapid action force personnel were positioned in sensitive areas and the situation was peaceful, it said.

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comment:

the biggest shame is the fact that while gujarat is being attacked in this manner and the hindus' hands are tied behind their backs, no other state in the bogus country called hindustan is showing any signs of solidarity with gujarat.

why is the bandh not called for in up, orissa, west bengal, karnataka and even in east punjab? why are they all so detached, de-linked and neutral secular "bhangis"?

in contrast we see even the malaysian muslim's tail up to charge at israel in sympathy with the plo..

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india and the rest of the world are in a state of war with islamic fundamentalism. and in war one does not act on impulse. all the emails demanding retaliation have risen from a violent emotional reaction. but to react blindly is often the best way of falling into the enemy's trap.

pakistan has planned this attack with the sole intention of provoking retaliation. your asking for retaliation is unwittingly asking for support to pakistan! notice that this has come days before the supreme court judgement on whether to permit election in gujarat. notice that it comes at the same time as the elections in kashmir. retaliation will mean president's rule in gujarat, and loss of kashmir.

you must also keep in mind that not all muslims are terrorists or supporters of pakistan. even if, for arguments sake, you say that the nationalistic muslims are in a minority, by retaliating blindly you will lose their support, and another partition will become inevitable. what is needed now is to draw out nationalistic muslims and project them as the real voice of muslims. something of that change is slowly happening, but you can assist it.

keeping restaint does not make us hijras. it allows us to act more decisively and more effectively where and when needed. on the contrary running away from the battlefield, leaving the country, saying the battle is lost -- it is this which makes hindus weak and hijras.

the need of the hour is to stay calm, gather and organise your forces, and then when the time is right, act incisively on the source of the attacks.

draw out the nationalistic muslims and make them allies in the effort. punjab's terrorist movement was not conquered by blind retaliation against all sikhs. it was done by isolating terrorists from the common sikh who then supported the police efforts.

(the ignorant fool compares the east punjab movement with the muslim revolt in india.

the sikh movement grew due to collapse of hinduism. when the sikh saw the hindus fleeing east bengal, south kashmir and fiji, they grew very insecure and wanted to take the defence of their daughters and temples in their own hands.)

it is a remnant of the gandhian mentality that even today we seek to solve problems by bandhs and fasts. these serve no purpose except to create a momentary excitement. what is needed is quiet and organised action. this needs courageous people who do not give up even when the battle seems lost.

mother india is not a piece of land. she is a living power. and she is awakening. but she needs strong and selfless instruments for her action. men who are free from petty egoism, willing to dedicate their lives for national upliftment. not people who stand in the sidelines and weep or offer advice, criticise or run away.

mother india will awake and recast all the moulds of national life. this will happen with or without us. if we choose to help her, it will be our privilege. if we run away, we will have missed a chance to make our lives worthwhile.

let not a few momentary events blind us from the larger task of nation-building. the battle is not lost. it has only just begun. and it is battle not only against terrorists, but more importantly it is a battle against tamas, inertia, weakness, cowardice, lack of unity, lack of clear thinking, lack of tapas.

it is only when we are strong and worthy of respect that the world will respect us.

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.. pained, humiliated. no bandh. we have lost

shame vajpayee, shame advani, shame bal thackerey, shame uddhav thackerey. shame on all of you hindu leaders, who drove us up the tree only to now preach brotherhood and love for muslims. shame on all you idiots. there is not a single muslim attacked, mosque burnt, as if nothing has happened at all. just like the mumbai blasts brought all maharashtra to it's knees in front of muslims, so has the gujarat attack brought the entire gujarat to it's knees. the hindutva movement is in coma now. the muslims have won. we have lost once again just like we have lost in our entire history one way or the other. we have lost.

there is no bandh in mumbai. the coward bal thackerey and his son uddhav thackerey are preaching non violence and hindu muslim brotherhood like mahatama gandhi.

i ask you what is the difference between these worthies and mahatma gandhi and why should we support these worthies and not mahatma gandhi who preach one and the same thing. everything is normal everywhere, which means everything is abnormal for hindus everywhere. i am now determined to leave this country, since there seems to be no difference living in this country and living in pakistan or saudi. pained and humiliated.

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" . . . . the need of the hour is to stay calm, gather and organise your forces, and then when the time is right, act incisively on the source of the attacks. . . . "

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excellent advice above.

i commend a second reading, noting the word "act".

my learned friend says, "and when the time is right, act."

in 1947 we suffered one million dead and the country was broken into three fragments.

to those who wanted to settle score with the islamic "bastards", and chase them back to mecca across quetta and karachi, were told, "be patient. when the time is right, we will act incisively and teach them a lesson."

alas, over five decades later the time that is upon us right now, is such that not only north kashmir is gone but also the hindus in south kashmir have evaporated.

if the hindu nation does not retaliate now within three days, the right time to act will never come.

the next we will see is the hated green flag of the mohammed of arabia over red fort.

the terror of mohammed will not be confined only to ayodhya, srinagar and gandhinagar.

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andhinagar (sic), india, wednesday

i like the pun in the mail which said andhinagar.

how appropriate. for those who do not know the word in hindi, it means either andhi or dust storm or a woman who is blind. both would be appropriate for that gandhinagar.

had it been named gobind garh or shivajinagar, the temple would have escaped the carnage. the name is such a deterrent.

what a difference between ranjit singh and abdul kalam.

what a difference between sushma swaraj and sonia khan.

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the biggest shame is the fact that while gujarat is being targeted and attacked in this manner, the hindus' hands are tied behind their backs.

no other state in the bogus country called hindustan is showing any signs of solidarity with gujarat.

why is the bandh not called for in up, orissa, west bengal, karnataka and even in east punjab? why are they all so detached, de-linked and neutral secular "bhangis"?

in contrast we see even the malaysian muslim's tail up to charge at israel in sympathy with the plo..

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brother, you did a fantastic job. your contribution to islam is just immeasurable, brother. you see, after 9/11 the words islam, qur?n, hadith, sha?ia are in the lips of everyone in the infidel world. what a great success! ..please open cells of jihadis in america, europe, canada and australia. we know it is bit difficult for you now but we are certain that allah, our rahman-ur-rahim, will soon join in your slaughter of the infidels.

please brother, do not disappoint us in this time of need. we patiently look forward to your signal for action. we look forward to another 9/11 from you, brother. -abul kasem

dear brother, do you remember georgionni pradley, the female british journalist? she sneaked in the holy islamic land of afghanistan by wearing the islamic raincoat?urqa. do you recall that she was taken as a captive to brother omar? he examined her thoroughly top to bottom but did not find her that attractive. so, he was very reluctant to make her ?alal?for himself following the prophet? example of marrying the captives or for a one night stand. the prophet married only young and physically attractive captives.

those not so attractive, he chucked them to his foot soldiers. amir-ul mumenin brother omar also did the same. he found her to be too old and ugly. so, following the footsteps of the prophet he donated her to a taliban commander. we do not know what really happened afterwards. but the taliban commander seemed to be very happy with her. many of his soldiers thought that she had fallen in love with the islamic commander, her captor. a few days later, brother omar announced the release of this old captive lady but on condition that she must embrace islam. the condition was not negotiable.

brother omar told her that if she did not convert to islam, then her taliban commander would chop her into pieces after making her ?alal?for himself. she had no choice. she had to convert to islam to save her life. however, although not that pretty, she was quite a smart lady. she concocted a story gullible enough for mullah omar. she told brother omar that her conversion to islam during her captivity would be counterproductive, since the whole world would interpret that as a forced conversion. a better idea would be for her to go back to england and then convert to islam and talk of falling in love with islam while under islamic captivity. what a great idea! why did not the muslims think of that! brother omar released her immediately and escorted her all the way to the border. however, he cautioned her that should she renege from her promise of conversion she will be beheaded by your al-qaeda jihadis operating in britain. she had to keep her pledge. now, how great we feel when she announced her conversion to islam. immediately after her news of conversion, we flooded the internet with the glory of islam. in prayer congregation, we also announced takbir, allahu akbar three times. subhan allah!

subhan allah! witness the greatness of islam. a captive becomes a convert! unbelievable!! this is possible only with islam. islam is sure to convert the remaining 4.8 billion infidels if we really follow brother omar? footsteps, isn? that so brother osama? eventually the entire earthlings of 6.2 billion will all become the part of ummah. brother osama, this is our cherished dream.

now, brother osama, we want to talk about something that had been bothering many of us for sometime. you see, we never had problem explaining the beauty of islam to the stupid infidels. almost all of them know next to nothing about true islam. they always thought that islam is just like christianity or judaism or worse still, buddhism. in fact, we always tell them so. and they ardently believed us. how foolish they are, come to think of it, brother. we really admired them for their gullibility. they always thought that you are the only culprit and you are not a true muslim. they thought that we are the true islam, until recently. you see, a few of the treacherous among us have decided to tell the truth, that we had been hiding for centuries. these renegade ex-muslims are now in the business of ?slam bashing.?the world-wide-web is now abuzz with their messages that portray the ?eal islam.?it has now become extremely difficult for us to hide our skin. even that idiot george bush does not say, ?slam is peaceful?anymore. even that infantile, boyish tony blair has stopped showcasing the mullahs in britain to say that islam is a religion of peace. do you know why, brother osama? it is all due to the doings of this new breed of apostates who will not hide anything. we feel so frustrated now that all our secrets are out. all our plans to convert these infidels to islam are now leaked. it is nearly impossible for us to raise our voice anymore. imagine, just about a year ago every infidel trusted us. no one ever listened to these sly ex-muslim apostates. they trusted every word we uttered. now a day, they do not trust us any more. they always try to avoid us.our web sites are lifeless. except for our own folks, no infidel visits us anymore. but look at the websites of a few of these renegade ex-muslims. they have millions of visitors every month. we feel so discouraged. brother osama, please try to understand us.

we did try to finish off these apostates. nevertheless, it is easier said than done sitting in these lands of infidels. if they were in islamic paradises, we would have surely finished them off in no time. moreover, the infidels are becoming sympathetic to them each day. previously, this sympathy was totally reserved for us. but it is no more there now. brother osama, please do something about this. we never thought that our own brother would betray us. but this is what has happened now. is it possible, brother osama, that in your next plan of islamic genocide of the infidels you include these apostates? please treat this matter as very urgent. we must kill this new breed of ?slamic pundits?if we are really serious to convert these sheep living in the land of ?reat satan?to islam and establish islamic paradises in us, uk, canada, australia, etc. do you need money, brother? we have some money for you, but we are afraid to send this to you in case the secret service catches us. please, brother, ask your trusty, eternal financier, the al-saud family. after all, they used to give you protection money in secret so that you do not disturb them. also, what happened to your lovable sisters who used to carry dollar-stuffed grocery bags to kandahar in the pre-9-11 days? why not send the house of al-saud a secret note on this matter? we can bet that fbi, cia would never come to know about it. they are hopeless.

in fact, if you could get some good financing from the al-saud family you could have bought over cia, fbi, and mi6 a long time ago. why did you not think of this brother? we are just wondering.

many of us have ph.ds in subjects like banking and finance, economics, geology, chemistry, computer science, medicine, dentistry?nd what not. you name the subject and we can show you a ph.d holder on that subject. the only exception is islam. none of us has a ph.d in islamic studies. nonetheless, that does not mean that we do not know islam. we are so good in islam that many of us have created our own websites to propagate islam. don? you think that it is an excellent idea, brother osama? look brother, you were also a civil engineer, isn? it so? now you are the best and the strongest islamic scholar in the world. many jihadis would gladly sacrifice their dear lives to uphold your islamic teachings. we are so proud of you that you are the first great engineer in the world who has used civil engineering to advance islam with great success. brother, would you kindly tell us how civil engineering and islam could be combined with more success? or, is it that you took your lesson on islam in al-azhar university in cairo? we are sure that they have a department named islamic civil engineering, isn? it so? we can safely say that our knowledge of islam is far superior to the age-old trusty islamic exegete like ibn kathir, al-shawkani, jalal al-din suyuti, jarir al-tabari?tc. just to name a few. our knowledge of islam is so great that we simply discard the tafsir of al-quran by those old hags whenever we find something that does not sound good to us. lately, we have discovered a new brand of islam. in this brand of islam anything and everything that makes us feel ashamed, cruel, uncivilized, barbaric we simply discard them no matter who is the interpreter even if it is from imam ghazali, suyuti, tabari?ny one?hey are out?ll of them; instead we put forward our own interpretations. do you know why, brother osama? it is because 99.99% of the infidels have never read the qur?n and they have no clue about its content.

therefore, it is so easy to fool them. we never worried about our folks either. a 90% of them do not know the meaning of the suras they utter hundreds of thousands of times in their prayer. almost none of them ever heard of the name of those old pundits of islam. they thought islam means praying, fasting, offering zakat, performing eid and attending the hajj; and that is all. it was so easy to fool all these people. they readily believed whatever interpretation we gave them. sha?ia laws? they did not even heard of this word just a year ago.

brother, you did a fantastic job. your contribution to islam is just immeasurable, brother. you see, after 9/11 the words islam, qur?n, hadith, sha?ia are in the lips of everyone in the infidel world. what a great success! what you achieved by killing a mere three thousand infidels in a couple of hours no islamic conqueror could do that even in a hundred year.

imagine now brother, what would happen to islam if you could kill about 250 million of the infidels. no joke, brother, everyone will then talk about islam. look at the beauty of islam. the more infidels you kill, the more they fall in love with islam. truly incredible! allah? qudrat! our mission accomplished one hundred percent!

brother osama, we thought that things would be like that forever. no one will know our secret. no one will ever question about qur?n, islam, sha?ia, hadith? etc. we would have a plain sail and in due time we will arrive at our manjil (destination) i.e. to conquer the remaining infidel lands and forcibly convert them to islam, insahallah, with your help. all we needed was a hero like you who would never hesitate to slaughter millions of ordinary infidels as per the rulings of the qur?n and the hadith. see, we never told this secret to any infidel at any time. but it looks like our plan has encountered a snag. a temporary one, though. you know those new breeds of apostates we were talking before? we are now so surprised that they have the full knowledge of the contents of the qur?n including the innermost secrets of ours. they digested the tafsirs by those old exegetes of centuries old. what a sad matter. we thought that they could be just like another salman rushdie or taslima nasrin who had very limited knowledge about our secret.

but no, these new betrayers know more of islam and sha?ia than many of us with ph.d. this is outrageous and simply not acceptable to us. after all, we are the sole agent of islam. no one knows islam more than we do. but we dare not confront them intellectually. we always try to corner them by using the logic that qur?n and ahadith cannot be understood unless one is an expert in arabic. this is a great strategy. we know that these apostates, for most of them, their mother tongue are not asmani (heavenly) arabic. therefore, they can never confront us in linguistic matters although we also have very little knowledge of arabic. this is the way we plan to topple those bastard betrayers. but lately, this method is also backfiring. due to the advent of the internet, these apostates (ex-muslims) are able to digest everything about islam within a very short period of time, even the most difficult language, arabic, the language of the qur?n. you see, they read the transliteration of the qur?n and then search the dictionary. it is so simple now a day. it looks like their best weapons are our websites, qur?n and ahadith. our websites, instead of serving the purposes of ours have become a great tool for them. this is just ridiculous! sometimes, we feel like bringing down our very own websites that were designed to dupe the infidels.

instead, we have now become the victims of our own creation. brother osama, we can never have our peace of mind and our websites will remain hitless and deserted so long as these ex-muslims (apostates) remain alive and continue with their nefarious design. that is precisely why we are turning to you to teach them a very good lesson as per hadis and qur?n. please open cells of jihadis in america, europe, canada and australia. we know it is bit difficult for you now but we are certain that allah, our rahman-ur-rahim, will soon join in your slaughter of the infidels.

please brother, do not disappoint us in this time of need. we patiently look forward to your signal for action. we look forward to another 9/11 from you, brother. do not, and i repeat, do not disappoint us.

wa-assalam zazakallah khairan

the new mullahs of deen-e-eslam

rajab 12, our year of the lord hijri 1422 al doniah

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