Date: 7/26/2002
The Hindu divinity, morality and spirituality are ZERO in Lahore and Srinagar, waiting to die the same way in Delhi.
The Muslim POLE that is as long as the distance from Karachi to Gilgit is SHOVED RIGHT UP THE HINDU MORALITY, SPIRITUALITY AND DIVINITY. AMAZING NO HINDU NOTICES IT.
The Hindu morality, Scriptures and Divinity are nothing but an INVITATION to invade, attack, defeat and KILL or CONVERT the Hindus. The Hindus, burdened with such morality, divinity and spirituality are falling like the dominoes in South Asia.
Yet most Hindus fail to make the simple observation or learn anything from history. What is Secularism in Delhi if we surrendered it in Lahore posthaste and in East Bengal twice?
The whole Hindu edifice in Hindustan seems to be ramshackle and crumbling. Is the end near?
In the following mail, the moderator of one (DECEPTIVELY) impressively named Discussion List has taken objection, NOT TO THE ENTHRONEMENT OF A MOHAMMEDAN AS INDIA'S PRESIDENT, BUT TO A HINDU EXPRESSING HIS DISGUST AT SUCH A LOWERING OF THE HINDU NATION WHILE ELEVATING ONE WHO OWES SPIRITUAL LOYALTY TO MECCA.
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Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 08:58:38 +0530
Subject: [Sanatana Dharma] Re: DEFENDER OF HINDUSTAN, A MUSLIM EUNUCH
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Mannaniya Sadasyagan (Respected Members),
We do not approve of the tenor of Rashtra's language nor the content of his/her message when he/she says:
Abdul Kalam of Delhi (2002-2002): A eunuch, an Indian Muslim, assumed the office of Supreme Commander since Liberation from the Britisih, to defend Hindustan from the Italian predators, and to reduce discrimination against the Hindus."
The name of this eGroup seems to have attracted some wrong kind of persons to become members. We invite all members to visit the homepage of the eGroup and read our motto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/savarkariyahindutva/
Suffice it to remind ourselves that our concept of Hindutva is as under:
The term "Hindutva" is derived from the two terms 'Hindu Tattva", which literally mean "Hindu Principles". Now the question is, what are Hindu Principles and what comprises the "Hindutva" Outlook?
To answer this question we would have to begin with the history of the Hindus. (SIC**) The history of the Hindus is the history of a civilization which has developed in its natural state, without interruption, since antiquity.
(NB ** : THE HISTORY OF THE HINDUS IS BEING INVADFED, GETTING SUBJUGATED, KILLED, FORCIBLY CIRCUMCISED, MASSACRED AND RAPED, FLEEING HOMES AND TERRITORY, DRIVEN OUT OF SINDH, EAST BENGAL, SOUTH AND NORTH KASHMIR. YET READ ON-)
Its age is dated to be between five and nine thousand years. Hence Hindu History is a prototype of how human civilization would have looked, if civilization all across the globe had been allowed to develop in its natural state. This is the relevance for us to study Hindu Civilization, Hindu History and Hindu Culture.
The evolution of Hindu Civilization can be considered to be natural and continuing as there is no last messiah in the Hindu world view. In fact this is what distinguishes Hindu Civilization from the rest. And this is why Hinduism is called a Living Idea, guided by the sum total of human wisdom that is not considered to be embodied in one person, or one book, or one period of human history. Hence the term "Living". Hindutva is the articulation of this idea of continuity of freedom of thought from which emerge the multifarious Hindu Principles.
Two instances of Hindu Principles that symbolize the outcome of freedom of thought are the pronouncements made not today, but four thousand years back by unnamed rishis (Hindu ascetics) that, "This world is one family" (Vasudaiva Kutumbakam) and that "The Universal Reality is the same, but different people can call it by different names" (Ekam Sat Viprah Bahuda Vadanti). In these two proclamations made in ancient Hindu India, we see the seeds of globalism and freedom of thought, four thousand years before the world was to become the global village of today.
Thus in its true essence, Hindutva is a stridently assertive rational-humanist line of reasoning. And it is this essence of Hindutva that we have kept in mind, while developing this website. At the level of practice, the Hindutva outlook boils down to upholding righteousness (Sat-guna) and fighting ignoble attitudes (Dur-guna). Taking poetic license, we can describe the practitioners of this outlook as "Heenam Naashaayati iti Hinduhu" (Those who uphold righteousness and fight ignobleness are Hindus).
Thus, far from being a narrow nationalistic doctrine, Hindutva is in its true essence, 'a timeless and universal compilation of human wisdom'. Hence it is also called "Sanatana" which means, something that is "forever continuing."
We, the Hindutva Team, pledge to ourselves that we disown superstition, dogmatism, mythology, miracles, miracle men, godmen, spiritualism, mysticism, and the entire religious, dogmatic and theistic outlook completely.
We also pledge that we disown caste and casteist feelings totally and permanently We pledge to disassociate Hindutva from all that is considered religious, casteist, sectarian, nationalistic and theistic; and pledge to retrieve the modernist, futuristic, egalitarian, secular, globalist, humanist and rationalist outlook which is the essence of the universal and timeless outlook that is inherent to Sanatan Parampara (literally "timeless tradition"). Sanatana Parampara represents the ancient tradition of free-thought from India.
The outlook of the Hindutva site advocates tolerance of all forms of religion as a matter of private belief (with controlled public expression). But we reject and pledge to fight casteism to its finish, we also reject and pledge to fight to their finish ALL shades of religious fanaticism.
OUR CONCEPT OF AN IDEAL SOCIETY
(IS IT TO "FEEL GOOD" WITH A MUSALMAN AND AN ITALIAN ON TOP OF OUR HINDU MEN AND FEMALES?)
We advocate a form of society where the belief or disbelief in religion is a private matter and religion has controlled public expression. Towards this end, we pledge to use the web to help in fighting to intellectually checkmate and destroy all across the globe, religious fanaticism that advocates the expansion of any one particular form of religious belief at the point of the sword. We also pledge to intellectually fight and neutralize all across the globe, religious fanaticism which advocates belief in any one particular form of religious belief as the only true faith the others being paganism. And tries to win adherents with allurements of free education, medical care, orphanages, etc.
(EMPHASIS)We also pledge to expose and neutralize that form of religious fanaticism which is a reaction to the above two forms of religious fanaticism and which attacks missionaries and tries to counter peaceful but deceptive missionary activity with terror tactics apart from acting as a Culture Police to impose a ban on beauty pageants, celebration of birthdays, New (Julian/Gregorian) Year festivities, honeymoons, et al.
These folks claim, like us, that they also uphold our same outlook of Hindutva. But we assertively state here that these lumpen elements, do not represent Hindutva since their ideas go against human sanity and commonsense. These vagabonds do not fathom the depth of the Sanatana Parampara, which they allege to represent.(EMPHASIS)
We from the http://hindutva.com team, distance ourselves from such uncultured culture police. Unlike them, we are all for the modernization of human society; which in this context is interpreted by many as Westernization or as Americanization. We do not attach significance to the name(s) given to this process. What we fully endorse is, the observance of everything that makes life full of easygoing fun without causing social harm or social nuisance.
We advocate the principle of the universal brotherhood of man and the oneness of humankind and reject all kinds of discrimination between man and man. We advocate service to humankind without any ulterior motive of trying to convert people to any kind of mode of worship. We pledge to ensure that there is freedom for people to worship the way they want to (without leading to social discord or holy wars); or not to worship at all. We have to thus work towards a scenario where there is no discrimination between man and man (discrimination as existed in the de-humanizing caste system and in all other forms of socio-economic division of society) and where there is complete freedom to choose one's method of prayer (without leading to social discord or holy wars); or to choose not to pray at all. A scenario where religion is allowed a controlled social existence and thus does not become a reason for social discord. This scenario is quite similar to the ancient Hindu society, the only difference being that religion, understood as the public practice of worship is controlled, so that it does not become a reason for social discord or holy wars.
It is this scenario, in which the pre-history of humankind will end. With this will end religious sectarianism, and division of our globe by national borders - borders along which there has been violence, hatred and bloodshed. With this scenario will begin the history of the human species, where science and quest for knowledge will dominate the human outlook and where WE as one species will face SPACE - the final frontier for humankind.
For the Future, to ensure that the public practice of religion does not lead to social strife, we feel that the following points need to be implemented in human society the world over.
- Celebration of religious festivals or any other form of public expression of religion, should always be under the supervision and control of the civil (law and order) authority.
- All educational institutions should be run by professional educational bodies who should follow a common syllabus and curriculum. This syllabus and curriculum should educate every generation about the nature of religious outlook itself and the creative and destructive role it has played in past Human history. The syllabus and curriculum should not to require/ask of everyone to believe in god or to stop believing in god. Every child of schooling age would have to get educated through the medium of such schools.
- There should be a common Civil Code for the entire citizenry across the globe.
- There should be a general ban on evangelism and public debate between different modes of worship.
We are aware that these suggestions will be subjected to severe criticism by visitors from various (all) religious backgrounds. But we the webmasters of this Hindutva site believe that the future hope for the human species does not lie in religion, spiritualism, dogmatism, and the concurrent religious fanaticism and theology-inspired terrorism that all religions breed. The future Human Being should be more attuned to frequenting Science Labs and Astronomical Observatories; rather than going to Churches, Temples, Monasteries, Mosques, Fire-altars, Synagogues, etc.
Our future lies in the human qualities of reasoning, scientific research, increasing understanding of the physical universe beyond the globe and the solar system. The qualities for a future ideal Human Being would be those of being a saintly scientist who would function as a soldier whenever our human species and the civilized human way of living is threatened from forces within the human species (like those of theology-inspired terrorism) or from forces beyond our planet and solar system.
We have no place here for those Hindus who are foul-mouthed and who subscribe to casteism. (YOU DO HAVE A LOT OF PLACE FOR THE ISLAMIC AGGRESSION IN HINDU BODY. AND YOU DO HAVE PLACE FOR PAKISTAN AND BOGUSDESH.)
And we take this opportunity to ask all those who believe in casteist supremacy and religious fanaticsm to leave this list.
(LEAVE THIS LIST SO THAT IT IS TAKEN OVER OR HEAVILY PENETRATED BY ITALY AND ISLAM AND ALL THOSE IN BANDIT DYNASTY?)
Persons like Rashtra have no place here, hence We have disabled that id.
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(GREAT WARRIOR, THE HINDU "CHICKEN".
NOW GO AND DISABLE THE ISLAMIC CONSTITUTIONS IN WEST PUNJAB AND EAST BENGAL. TAKE THE HINDU REFUGEES BACK TO SOUTH KASHMIR AND BRING BACK THE DEAD HINDUS OF NORTH KASHMIR AND NOAKHALI.
NOW ENNOBLE THE MIND AND HEART OF ABDUL KALAM AND SONIA KHAN, FORGET THE DOLLAR RAISING TRIPS TO THE UNITED STATES, IF THAT IS HINDU SPIRITUALITY.
GO AND RAISE THE TEMPLE IN AYODHYA. WE BELIEVE THERE IS NO PLACE FOR EVEN SRI RAM IN YOUR DARK AND "DURPOKE/BUZDIL" (TERRORISED AND TIMID) HEART. THE HINDU SOUL IS COLOURED BLACK BY ISLAM AND ITALY. GLORY TO YOUR HINDUSTAN UNDER THE FOOT OF A MUSALMAN-ETERNALLY BEIMAN ABDUL KALAM.)
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